Discussion:Tutoiement et vouvoiement

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--Wade (discussion) 15 avril 2021 à 08:35 (CEST):

Just a tiny note on "En ancien français au XII°, on trouve encore des exemples de tutoiements/vouvoiements instables." That's often been said in grammars, e.g. Grevisse, and even in older studies, but there's no a fair degree of work on such "instable" systems esp. when English, Anglo-Norman, and French were generalising the V-form, and it has indicated it is not a question of any instability, but rather change in what features T and V forms are sensitive to, which can vary even within a sentence, e.g. solidarity in positive command, distancing in prohibition (cf. when nous/j-ons was switching to on). See Lass 1999 and the articles in Taavitsainen and Jucker 2003 [biblio in The ways of ...]. Some of the apparent cases of instability in Breton might be worth looking at in this manner, while others might be be truely free variation of certain 2SG and 2PL forms.

--MJ. (discussion) 20 avril 2021 à 10:57 (CEST): Trugarez. For future reference:

  • Lass, Roger. 1999. 'Phonology and morphology', Roger Lass (éd.), The Cambridge history of the English language 1476-1776, 56–186. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
  • Taavitsainen, Irma, and Andreas H. Jucker. 2003. Diachronic perspectives on address term systems, Amsterdam, Philadelphia: John Benjamins.

--Wade (discussion) 1 mai 2021 à 08:25 (CEST): Found the right reference arguing that the situation in Middle French is indeed not free but goes along the lines suggested:

  • Mason, P. E. (1990). The pronouns of address in middle French. Studia Neophilologica, 62(1), 95–100. doi:10.1080/00393279008588043

--MJ. (discussion) 1 mai 2021 à 14:45 (CEST): Merci. J'ai intégré son article.